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  • 1984 40 ELN won't start

    I have an 84 40 horse 3 cyl that I've owned for the past 11 years. It's a pretty clean motor and has been pretty reliable in the time I've owned it minus a few hiccups. The last 2 years it hasn't been running.. at first it would start up and wouldn't stay running. It would idle for a few seconds and then die, but would stay alive longer if choked while idling. Whatever I did though it wouldn't stay alive longer than 3-4 seconds and I couldn't get it in gear. My thoughts were air leak or dirty carbs.
    What I've tried:
    - cleaned the carbs twice. I've done this numerous times since owning the boat so it's not new to me. I boil them in vinegar now and blow everything out with compressed air. The first time I did it after the no starting they were the dirtiest I had seen them in all the times I've cleaned them. Full of goo. Put them back together tried to start it up and still nothing. A few months later I get interest again, take apart the carbs and they're once again very dirty with orange residue. So they got boiled and cleaned again.

    - changed the oil pump (new oem) and oil lines(clear)
    - changed all the internal fuel lines (clear)
    - new spark plugs
    - new fuel tank
    - new primer bulb and fuel line

    Now it won't start up at all unless I spray premix through it. I can crank and crank it and it sounds like it's not getting fuel. No hint of trying to fire. If I spray premix through the carbs it will fire right up immediately and die after 1-2 seconds. Primer bulb will get hard and it's filling the carb bowls. I've verified by undoing the 10mm brass screw on the sides of the bowls. I've checked the plugs and they look barely wet or on the dry side. After cranking the motor several tries the primer bulb stays hard. Everything seems to point to the cylinders not getting fuel. What's got me even more stumped is it seems like it's all three cylinders. When I spray premix through one cylinder at a time, I can hear that cylinder trying to fire. So whatever this is is an all 3 cylinder condition.

    Any ideas what would keep all three cylinders from getting fuel when the carbs are clean and bowls full? Compression is about 80 psi on all cylinders. I know that's low but it's been that way since I bought it. Sorry for the long read and thanks for the help.

  • #2
    crank seals maybe or reeds, something is not allowing the motor to suck thru the carbs enough to pull fuel.
    or there is a problem with the jets and passages.

    can you put you hand over the individual carb openings to see if you can feel suction?

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    • #3
      I tried testing the suction of each carb with my hand -- could barely feel some suction however it was difficult to fully cover the opening due to the choke plate. I then tried an incense stick and it pulled the smoke right into each carb. So there is some suction at each carb, although I can't tell how much. Does seem like it should be more.

      With reeds I've read you'll get blowback through the carb. I'm not noticing that and I wouldn't think all three would clog at the same time. Not saying your wrong but maybe I don't fully understand the reeds. Crank seals is seeming likely. I've suspected the lower one was bad in the past due to an occasional 'lean sneeze' I'd get under power. Thanks for the help so far.

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      • #4
        I worked on an old chainsaw once that would not start unless I dumped gas into the carb throat, the it would run at High RPMs,
        But when I tried to lower RPM it would die
        repeat to start again.
        found the pulse port to the oiler had fallen apart letting air into the crankcase.
        plugged that port off and the saw started and ran great. just no auto oiler.


        Worked on a leaf blower less than a year old that did the same thing, I even put a new carb on it with no better results.
        pulled the piston due to low compression and found stuck rings due to carbon.
        freed up and clean the ring lands starts and runs great,
        and I still use that blower

        there are top and bottom seals on your crank, and seals between the crankcase compartments on that motor you have that could be a problem, but low compression should mean stuck or wore out rings or scuffed cylinder walls

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