2005 F150 balancer

[Kirk Gibson]

Training

Oh, and I,m always up for training...lol...I didn't think about the 150A or B
so in the future I will remember that. Thanks Boscoe.

[TownsendsFJR1300]

What else could they say?

The -03-00 is so fine that they decided to update it just because they could. Engineering was slow so they updated it just to fill their time.

They could have said REPLACE IT, it's critical-and I would. Their losing a sale
telling me it's fine... Doesn't make sense...

[pstephens46]

I was shocked when I ordered the -04 version from Boats.net. No shipping and no sales tax. We are in the same state and that thing is pretty heavy....


Been in there three times now. Less than an hour and no leaks with the
Loctite 518.

[pstephens46]

Yes thats what I thought. Does the type 3 have steel gears?
The last two times I changed the oil in the engine, just for kicks I strained the oil through a nylon stocking to see if there were any particles of anything. I know the oil filter would probably catch anything but I wanted to see if there was even a tiny particle....nothing...clear. I think I won't let this balancer thing worry me until I can actually hear something. Life is too short.

Make sure you run it periodically with the cowl off and listen carefully. That cowl muffles engine noise quite a bit. I couldn't hear my -00 version with cowl on but could hear it clearly removed.

The are a few over on THT that SWEAR their balancers just blew up with no warning. I'm not buying it. Bet they didn't listen carefully enough...But you can't tell the mob over there a damn thing.

[boscoe99]

Yes thats what I thought. Does the type 3 have steel gears?
The last two times I changed the oil in the engine, just for kicks I strained the oil through a nylon stocking to see if there were any particles of anything. I know the oil filter would probably catch anything but I wanted to see if there was even a tiny particle....nothing...clear. I think I won't let this balancer thing worry me until I can actually hear something. Life is too short.

The gear that is failing is composite. Remains a composite gear on the -04-00 configuration.

[boscoe99]

They could have said REPLACE IT, it's critical-and I would. Their losing a sale
telling me it's fine... Doesn't make sense...

Put yourself in Yamaha's position. If they told a customer to change it, the first thing out of the customer's mouth would be "you Yamaha must pay for it'.

If Yamaha used the work "critical" it would reinforce in the customers mind that Yamaha should pay to replace it. Parts and labor.

Just because the part has been changed, many, many Yamaha owners have demanded that Yamaha pay to install the updated part.

Yamaha never told a -00-00 owner to install the -01-00, a -01-00 owner to install the -02-00, a -02-00 owner to install the -03-00 or a -03-00 owner to install the -04-00.

If the motor is in warranty and if a mechanic can convince Yamaha that the balancer is failing, based on sound, then Yamaha might say to replace it under warranty. I don't think Yamaha has ever said to replace a balancer just because a later configuration has been issued.

Yamaha has to be very very careful about what they say, because customers will take words and twist them around to suit the customer's beliefs.

[Kirk Gibson]

Cowling off

Yes, even with the cowling off (which I do a lot) no noise as of yet. 300hrs on each engine. I wonder what reason they have for staying with a composite gear? If it is cost, why not offer a more expensive version with a steel gear?

[pstephens46]

Yes, even with the cowling off (which I do a lot) no noise as of yet. 300hrs on each engine. I wonder what reason they have for staying with a composite gear? If it is cost, why not offer a more expensive version with a steel gear?

Probably noise for one. Spin 2X engine speed.

[panasonic]

Probably noise for one. Spin 2X engine speed.

And I suspect weight as well. Manufacturers are big on selling "our engine is the lightest in their class" So they try to save every ounce they can when designing and updating their engines.

Consumers love that stuff..even if it is only a few pounds in the difference..

IMO

[boscoe99]

And I suspect weight as well. Manufacturers are big on selling "our engine is the lightest in their class" So they try to save every ounce they can when designing and updating their engines.

Consumers love that stuff..even if it is only a few pounds in the difference..

IMO

Weight and maintenance are two very bad words in the outboard motor world. And the need for the use of gasoline rated at 89 octane is even worse.

I see some take the weight issue to the ounce level. One brand weighing 12 ounces more than the other brand is labeled as a "pig".

Consumers are noted as being ignorant buyers. The inner web is doing more to further bad information than good information IMO.

[TownsendsFJR1300]

Put yourself in Yamaha's position. If they told a customer to change it, the first thing out of the customer's mouth would be "you Yamaha must pay for it'.

If Yamaha used the work "critical" it would reinforce in the customers mind that Yamaha should pay to replace it. Parts and labor.

Just because the part has been changed, many, many Yamaha owners have demanded that Yamaha pay to install the updated part.

Yamaha never told a -00-00 owner to install the -01-00, a -01-00 owner to install the -02-00, a -02-00 owner to install the -03-00 or a -03-00 owner to install the -04-00. INCORRECT

If the motor is in warranty and if a mechanic can convince Yamaha that the balancer is failing, based on sound, then Yamaha might say to replace it under warranty. I don't think Yamaha has ever said to replace a balancer just because a later configuration has been issued. THAT's exactly how mine got replaced, I was not even aware it had a balancer at the time. (Obviously the dealer gets reimbursed well from Yamaha.

Yamaha has to be very very careful about what they say, because customers will take words and twist them around to suit the customer's beliefs.

I agree PARTIALLY with your post.

When the engine was still under warranty, the local shop told me about the "re-call" and couldn't change it fast enough- No charge to me.

I'm going to call Yamaha tomorrow (give it a shot, at least discounted maybe..).

If that doesn't work out at all, I'll be changing it out myself.

Haven't read of any 3's failing, but it's not worth the potential failure / destroying (or MAJOR damage) to the engine.

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[Kirk Gibson]

Weight of gear

Yeah, I guess I see what you mean but how much more could a steel gear add...less than the weight of 2 beers I'd bet.

[TownsendsFJR1300]

Yeah, I guess I see what you mean but how much more could a steel gear add...less than the weight of 2 beers I'd bet.

And yes, it's a very heavy unit. If you've ever had a crankshaft out of a 10 HP
engine, it's like that but times TWO...

(it was the only pic I could find showing the guts)




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[99yam40]

I never looked at one before, is the gear metal with plastic on the outside like the old timing chain gears that would fall apart at about 75K miles

[TownsendsFJR1300]

I never looked at one before, is the gear metal with plastic on the outside like the old timing chain gears that would fall apart at about 75K miles

That I don't know but it's those composite teeth that like to "go away" and cause nasty trouble.

As I re-call, I saw one with the composite teeth stripped off, no metal showing(it was on this forum).

And the shaft with a steel gear and composite gear together, THAT composite gear ALONE, aligns up with the crankshaft STEEL gear.

As noted, that unit is QUITE heavy...

I'm guessing they went to the composite for $ savings and perhaps quieter operation..


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