2 stroke oil

[DennisG01]

But synthetic oil DOES start out as normal, crude oil from the ground. It's just modified to be a purer, chemically superior product. Don't get me wrong - I'm not putting down synthetics - I do use them for certain applications. I was just always under the assumption, until recently, that synthetics were derived completely of man-made products... not that they started their life as regular oil. I only wanted to pass this info along as I thought it was interesting and others might find it so, too.

This is from Mobil's website:

"Conventional and synthetic oils begin in the ground. But that’s where the similarities end.

Synthetic oil is not only refined but also distilled, purified and broken down into its basic molecules. This process not only removes more impurities from the crude oil but also enables individual molecules in the oil to be tailored to the demands of modern engines. These customized molecules provide higher levels of protection and performance than conventional oils. But the synthetic base oil is only half the story. The correct blend additives must go into the mix to create the oil."

[99yam40]

from what you posted even Mobile agrees it is not from crude oil, it just begins in the ground like crude oil .

"Conventional and synthetic oils begin in the ground. But that’s where the similarities end."

I have always thought it was made from natural gas, and that is probably close as what i posted before said methane and other gases.
I guess methane is what natural gas is.
but natural gas contains a lot more than just methane.
War and shortages will push the development of a lot of things

"synthetic oil is not distilled from crude oil. It is made through a chemical process known as the Fischer-Tropsch process, starting with raw materials like methane, carbon monoxide, and carbon dioxide. This process was developed by Germany in WWII, when that country's access to crude oil was very limited.?




























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[DennisG01]

See, now I read that differently. Interesting.

I read "Conventional and synthetic oils begin in the ground. But that’s where the similarities end." as it starts it's life as crude oil, but then it takes a different pathway on it's way to becoming something we can actually use.

I'm not sure about the other quote - it almost feels like there is more to it? I haven't yet googled that F-T process, though.

[DennisG01]

I found this on Mobil's website, as well:

What are Synthetic Oils?
A synthetic lubricant contains more highly refined base oils than those used in conventional mineral oils, offering you superior protection and performance. Synthetic engine oils provide a variety of benefits that keep your engine running at optimal performance for years.

Types of Engine Oil
There are two basic types of engine oil available:

Conventional mineral oils are the traditional types of engine oil and are still most widely used.
Synthetic motor oils which are steadily growing in popularity.

There are also semi-synthetic oils, which are a blend of synthetic oils and conventional mineral oils. Semi-synthetic oils are also sometimes called "blends".

Both types of engine oil are made from crude oil that comes from the ground. The difference is that synthetic motor oils are made from more advanced refining processes and are of a higher purity and quality than conventional mineral oils or semi-synthetic oils. This not only removes more impurities from the crude oil, it enables individual molecules in the oil to be tailored to the demands of modern engines. These customized molecules provide higher levels of protection and performance, even in extreme conditions.

[99yam40]

yes it gets confusing depending one what web site you are getting info from.

and these sites we are reading on so far are not even talking about 2 stroke oils

[DennisG01]

yes it gets confusing depending one what web site you are getting info from.

and these sites we are reading on so far are not even talking about 2 stroke oils

I know, right? Now, I'm "assuming" that the general procedure/process is at least somewhat related to 4-strokes and that it's simply the additive packages that differ. But, again, that's only an assumption!

Edit: Although, there's probably even more to it since the stuff has to be able to be burned, too.

[zenoahphobic]

You got to keep in mind that the quotes come from a manufacturer with a commercial interest in telling people that "their's is superior" . So what they say tends to be full of " not saying much at all".
Really, where does everything come from. Even timber or food products get their nutrients from the ground. The air sourced components you can say have origins from the ground. When we export to other celestial customers we would say " Made on earth from locally sourced ingredients".
Crude oil is sludge from the ground, with it comes gas and other stuff. So the use of the term oil is broad name. Refining is also distilling.

[zenoahphobic]

Also, if you think about it, why would you go to the trouble of making this magic "synthetic" superior stuff and go and mix it with the "less refined stuff", reducing it's quality? Semi synthetic marketing hype?

[99yam40]

what about the blend?
I question the difference between Semi synthetic and synthetic.
we know what blending the 2 is

never mind I just reread the stuff above again

[zenoahphobic]

what about the blend?
I question the difference between Semi synthetic and synthetic.
we know what blending the 2 is

never mind I just reread the stuff above again

I take the word blend to mean the mixing of two or more perfectly good products. Semi to me means half although others think it is "some" or does it really mean "we haven't bothered to refine this product much, but according to the advertising rules(?) we can call it this."?

[pstephens46]

Good, better and best. Allows for price retail points without affecting their cost so much.

[cpostis]

Fischer-Tropsch Sustainability

Here's a good article for you techies out there!

But wait, doesn't most common Fischer-Tropsch feedstock materials; coal, natural gas (methane), and more recently biomass come from the ground?

[boscoe99]

You got to keep in mind that the quotes come from a manufacturer with a commercial interest in telling people that "their's is superior" . So what they say tends to be full of " not saying much at all".
Really, where does everything come from. Even timber or food products get their nutrients from the ground. The air sourced components you can say have origins from the ground. When we export to other celestial customers we would say " Made on earth from locally sourced ingredients".
Crude oil is sludge from the ground, with it comes gas and other stuff. So the use of the term oil is broad name. Refining is also distilling.

Nobody has done that better than Mobile 1.

[boscoe99]

I take the word blend to mean the mixing of two or more perfectly good products. Semi to me means half although others think it is "some" or does it really mean "we haven't bothered to refine this product much, but according to the advertising rules(?) we can call it this."?

Why is it called semi-synthetic? Why is it not called semi-conventional?

All I really know is that my stuff is better than other folks stuff. Ford, Mercury Marine, Pennzoil, Gillette, it does not matter. The stuff that others use is inferior.

[cpostis]

Fischer-Tropsch Sustainability

Here's a good article for you techies out there!

But wait, doesn't most common Fischer-Tropsch feedstock materials; coal, natural gas (methane), and more recently biomass come from the ground?

Here's another thing to ponder...

Different manufacturer's use different materials for their seals; o-rings, gaskets, check valves, etc. Some full synthetic oils may not be compatible with some manufacturers make-up of these seals, and may need some of the properties of conventional oil in semi and/or blend synthetics. Conventional oil properties may prevent break down and keep the pliability of these seals, whereas full synthetics may not?

Just a thought!