NIB but 4 yrs old?

[Freytown]

Hi guys, looking for opinions on a new in the box Yamaha 4 stroke that was made in 2011-12. I found a dealer that had a 20hp and has made a good offer. Anything I should be concerned about? Thank you.

PS: great site/forum.

[a387673]

Warranty...?

[Freytown]

Warranty

Yes, dealer said the warranty is the same as any new motor.

[DennisG01]

My biggest question would be why is there a 20HP still sitting on the shelf? That's a popular model and should have sold. If not in 11/12, then certainly the following year... when a customer comes in looking for a new 20HP, the dealer would say "Sure, but I also have a leftover model you can have at a savings"... pretty much anyone on this Earth wouldn't say no to that. Unless this dealer no longer sells Yamaha's, or is located so far off the beaten path that only sell one or two motors a year?

But, that aside, keep in mind that as soon as you sign the papers, it's value drops to that of a 4 year old motor. Granted, it's worth a little more since it is actually new and has the warranty - but how much more is subjective. But as far as "worry"... maybe just a new impeller since it's sat so long in one position and fresh engine/gear oil.

Just some thoughts!

[Freytown]

I don't know why it sat so long but NIB it doesn't even have oil in crankcase yet. The water pump impeller should be ok if stored out of heat and sun...I think. Thanks for your suggestions.

[rodbolt17]

bogus info on the water pump.
I would do the deal based on a new water pump impeller before start up.
then they PDI it and its your option to buy the extrended warrenty.
as far as Yamaha is concerned its a factory neww unit if it was never previously registerd.
but yes, water pumps do go bad sitting .
its called taking a set.

[boscoe99]

The dealer and Yamaha are going to tell you that the water pump is just fine. It may very well be so. However, this is something that you can negotiate with the dealer if you wish. Just make the purchase conditional upon the impeller being removed and replaced with a new one prior to purchase. Maybe the dealer will pay for the labor if you pay for the part. It is all negotiable.

Alternatively, have the dealer run the motor in your presence to verify that the existing impeller is pumping water as it is supposed to.

Water pump impellers are specifically excluded from the warranty. It will be to your benefit if the dealer installs a new one prior to you taking the motor. But again, even if he does this, have him run the motor for you. Make sure that it starts easily, idles and runs well.

[99yam40]

1st impeller I put in my new to me 3rd hand C40 was just the impeller off the shelf at local Yamaha dealer.
It came apart before the year was out.
My guess was it was one that set on the shelf for too long.
Kits are not much more money and you get all new stuff.
I just buy the water pump kits now.
Probably what most people do so that impeller sat around for too long.
I may be wrong, but that was the only impeller I have had loose pieces out of it

[almetelo]

IDK how years of new motors are defined in US but I can say my 30 3cyl was manufactured 1993 and I bought it brand new June 1995, my F100 manufactured 2004 and bought new May 2005.

If is NEW and the lastest model (dealer give you full warranty) IMO I donīt see any problem.

[boscoe99]

IDK how years of new motors are defined in US but I can say my 30 3cyl was manufactured 1993 and I bought it brand new June 1995, my F100 manufactured 2004 and bought new May 2005.

If is NEW and the lastest model (dealer give you full warranty) IMO I donīt see any problem.

Yamaha USA considers a motor to be new and unused if it has never been sold or put into service. Could be ten years old. They are willing to provide a three year warranty and a three year extended service contract on a motor that old, as long as it has just been sold for the first time and not used as demo, etc.

He will more than likely get a full warranty. Only problem is that here in the US the water pump impeller is excluded from/not covered by the warranty. Never. Not even on the second day of ownership. Might not seem right but that is the way that the warranty is written.

Now Yamaha could very well cover the cost to replace an impeller if it were to come to that in say the first year, but for peace of mind and to avoid an inconvenience I would try and get the dealer to install a new one.

[Freytown]

Going to buy it.

I'm going to buy it. I will save about $500 and if I need a new impeller it will cost about $20. I am handy & replacing the impeller isn't a problem. I verified a "full warranty" as I am the first owner.

Thanks folks for all the feedback. FT

[boscoe99]

I like your attitude.

[rodbolt17]

new old stock motors are nothing new.
I installed a pair of 4.3GL-p Volvos last spring.
they were WAY left over and purchased through Volvo in Chesapeak VA.
the only way Volvo would warrenty them is if the customer or our dealership paid to change the seawater pump impeller and the engine oil PRIOR to commissioning.

mercrusier has the same guidelines for their new old stock engines.

because these companies KNOW impellers go bad simply sitting in the crate.

some years back a mercury/Suzuki dealership I worked for purchased 10 4 and 5 HP mariners.
all were 3 years old and new in the box but we got a good deal on them.
first two we sold had impeller failures inside a week.
after that before commissioning I simply replaced the impellers.