Yamaha 130BETO limps when hitting a wave

[zenoahphobic]

if the motor has a fever shut it off and check the water intakes for obstruction.

a direct quote from an MTG.

a switch is a discrete device.

a switch is either on or off, high or low.

a sensor implys a varying feed back like your fuel level guage.

unlike the level indicate for the oil tank.

that level will show full all the way up until bingo.

You're sticking to your guns in regard to a switch.
That switch is not the only component of that SENSOR; it therefore is not discrete as you say, it also has the component(s) that do the switching.
I guess you argue your definition of a sensor as that word crept into automotive language when electronics became part of the operation of engines. Whereas the things that did these functions prior had different names. Everything now comes under the general heading of sensor.
Variable has a wider meaning than the simple meaning you imply. Two states (on or off) is variable, it is either this or that.
Your quote of the use of fever, is not part of automotive language (yet) so is somewhat amusing. However it's meaning is notheless clear, even though an engine is not an animal!

[boscoe99]

if the motor has a fever shut it off and check the water intakes for obstruction.

a direct quote from an MTG.

a switch is a discrete device.

a switch is either on or off, high or low.

a sensor implys a varying feed back like your fuel level guage.

unlike the level indicate for the oil tank.

that level will show full all the way up until bingo.

I don't doubt for a moment that an MTG says that. More crap from Yamaha.

A switch is not on or off, high or low. A switch is either open or closed. Depending up the condition of the switch (open or closed) the component being con*****ed by the switch may be on or off.

Your argument about a switch being used as a sensor is not with me. It is with the engineering world.

[boscoe99]

That switch is not the only component of that SENSOR; it therefore is not discrete as you say, it also has the component(s) that do the switching.

Bingo. Winner winner, free chicken dinner.

[rodbolt17]

in the world of electronics a switch is a discrete signal.
on or off.
in the electronics world that is a high or low signal.
that's how the ECU/module interpets the switch.

its called digital electronics.

its on or off = high or low.

in most circuits low lights the light= grounded makes it work.

look at the specs for that switch and tell me the resistance range.

[boscoe99]

in the world of electronics a switch is a discrete signal.
on or off.
in the electronics world that is a high or low signal.
that's how the ECU/module interpets the switch.

its called digital electronics.

its on or off = high or low.

in most circuits low lights the light= grounded makes it work.

look at the specs for that switch and tell me the resistance range.

Ideally it will be zero ohms when the switch is closed and infinite ohms when the switch is open.

A few ohms when the switch closed might not be good for some circuits/devices and any ohms when the switch is open might not be good.

[zenoahphobic]

It's called digital electronics because the two states (digits) are 0 and 1 ;
not on or off, or high and low!

[boscoe99]

Someone appears to have a hang up when a component is referred to by what it does and not what it is.

I was just walking my dog and noticed the retractable leash has an O ring on the cord between the clip to which the dog is attached and the body of the leash.

Is that correctly called a "snubber" or should it be called an "O" ring?

Is it correct to call a hydraulic cylinder and piston a "shock absorber" when used to dampen or absorb shock or should it always be called a hydraulic cylinder and piston, which is technically what it is?

[zenoahphobic]

Someone appears to have a hang up when a component is referred to by what it does and not what it is.

I was just walking my dog and noticed the retractable leash has an O ring on the cord between the clip to which the dog is attached and the body of the leash.

Is that correctly called a "snubber" or should it be called an "O" ring?

Is it correct to call a hydraulic cylinder and piston a "shock absorber" when used to dampen or absorb shock or should it always be called a hydraulic cylinder and piston, which is technically what it is?

More often than not things are just called by what they look like, or by what one person with influence on the language thinks what they look like; not by what it does, nor by what it (technically) is.

That O ring (I don't even know how that is spelt), presumably is called that because it looks like an O. What about zero, naught? When you really think about what it actually is, a seal, and why it is a special seal requiring it's separate name the O is nonsense. They seal various non circular things as well. The special quality (dimension) is it's cross section, neither an O nor zero; but a disc in two dimension form but really a rod in it's three dimensional form. An O ring cut is just a rod. I'll spare you the argument that it is really not a ring either.

So things are named sometimes quiet arbitrarily.

[zenoahphobic]

Rodbolt, I think has brought this thread in to the digital age. His reference to resistance of a switch suggests this, to which Boscoe replied.

The transistor is what brought electronics. It's ability to "switch" brought binary number systems into electronics creating digital electronics.

The point needs to made that the transistor was originally referred to as a trans-resistor. It enabled resistance to be transferred in a circuit. So briefly the "switch" has resistance, zero resistance is nonsense in digital electronics.

Now bringing this back to the OP's oil problem, answer these questions:

Is the ECU in his engine digital or analogue? i.e does it have digital or analogue inputs? Does it output digitally or analogy?

And is his oil detection "thingy" (we will not call it a switch or a sensor for now) a digital or an analogue device?; outputting digitally or analogy?
Does it receive any digital or analogue signals?. Has the ECU anything to do with it at all?

[boscoe99]

I always thought the O in O ring stood for the cross section of the material doing the sealing.

Does an O ring always have to be called an O ring, if that is what it is, or can it also be called a "seal" in some instances, since that is what it does in some instances.

As to a ring, does a ring have to be circular or can it be most any shape?

In Britain they refer to a road as being a "ring" road but the road is not circular.

[zenoahphobic]

Some here refer to O as the shape it naturally springs to. (Changing language and short memories).
We also have ring roads. Ring refers to going around. I can think of the O ring doing that on a garden hose snap fitting.

[boscoe99]

If not a sensor should it be called a probe? As in, it is probing to determine if there is water present.

[boscoe99]

Shouldn't this be called a switch and not a probe? Is Racor wrong calling it a probe?

Or is a switch only a switch when the switch is mechanical and not electrical?

[zenoahphobic]

I think we agree that in these modern times Sensor is the group name for all these information gatherers. Although sensors have existed long long before man. Living things always had them for detection of light, sound, hot, cold, wet, dry, air, radiation, vibration, pressure, bitter, sweet, salt, esp etc. etc.
I'd stick to what is fashionable in the particular discipline or field, with a leaning towards its function relevant in the particular context used, and very mindful of many names include foreign language names out there.
For instance I have no problem with candles, fever etc, perhaps I am more multicultural than some.

[nicho001]

I “sense” we have “switched” topic’s 

An update on this.. I replaced the sensor/switch in the engine tank and the last two trips haven’t had any limp mode “power downs”…. or alarms going off..
However.. it seems that intermittently the oil pump will activate to the point of the engine bottle overfilling and popping the sensor out.
This seems to happen more when the engine has been stopped/off for a while.

I now thinking it’s a cable or the oil control unit..

Questions I have are:
- Am wondering if there were any diagnostic I can run on the “oil control kit”
- Does the oil con*****er kit activate the pump when the engine has been off for a while regardless of oil level (it seems to automatically run a few seconds after a long time of being off regardless of the float height…one time I’ve seen it preform the overfill)
- The engine is a 2000 model 130 hp Yamaha..so my reading suggests that the oil pump circuit won’t be related to the trim circuit at all.. am I correct in that thought (if I am then my thinking is that its gotta be the con*****er unit or wiring as ive then replaced everything else)
- If a wire/cable had a dodgie connection or corrosion.. then would it activate the pump? (and is there a particular wire that would do this i.e I might bypass it and see if that also fixes the issue)

Thanks again in advance for any your time.

Cheers