Oil transfer problem

[boscoe99]

I knew to whom you were typing but if my message was not received by the OP then perhaps yours did not get through either.

Or, maybe they only want advice from Rodbolt.

Some folks go into transmit mode and stay out of receive mode. As Judge Judy says, you got two ears and one mouth so listen, stop talking. Or something like that.

Now just an observation. Factual advice gets provide to posters without any acknowledgement at all. Rodbolt kicks the shit out of them and they get all apologetic and thankful. Strange. Just strange.

[rodbolt17]

its the difference between taking the master tech test multiple times. like ALL the Kennasaw folks. or passing it the first time cause you deakl with it everyday.
its the difference from a fieled rep which is mostly clueless.
the kennasaw rep which took 4 times trhruogh the class room to pass the master tech.

it makes the master tech exam worthless when you recyclce stupiod folk until they pass it.

yes I call kennasaww at least once a week.

the absolute stupid ones say "cut the oil filter open with tin snips":
are they fuuuuking stupid.

bOSCOE if you can cut an oil filter with tin snips, post a video and I will bow down to ya.

if not tell your boys to quit asking me to cut open oil filters when its a crank bearing failure.

[boscoe99]

What in hell do I have to do with the Yamaha Kennesaw boys?

I live in Kennesaw but that is the only connection. I drive by their facility from time to time.

Oh, I can cut an oil filter open with snips but why would I? How would I be a able to tell snip debris from engine debris?

From what little I know about the Master Tech credential they will give it away to keep from hurting a techs feeling. Like passing all the little jonnies in school so their self esteem does not suffer. They get out into the real world and get their butts kicked. It belittles those that have truly earned.

[99yam40]

large meat cleaver or a good old machete might work

To make a tin snip to work you would need to poke a hole to get a small snip in and work you way around

[greasyshaft]

I use a cold chisel, does that make a me a bad ass?

[rodbolt17]

yep. it does

this month I have done 2 F350 motors with failed thrust bearings.
I still have to get a locked solid F250 apart.

called the RTA center and get this stupid crap about cutting open the oil filter to check for metal.

DUDE the crank bearings failed.
the flywheel is jumping up and down almost 1/2 inch.
there is metal in the oil and the sump and strainer are full of it.

not the first motor I have blown or seen blown.

but tell me to use tin snips to cut it open?????

I am just to busy to cut oil filters open and send pictures.

just send me a block and heads as nessasary.

sorry about the ranting.
I will get back on topic now.

[rodbolt17]

if the oil control module "sees" an open switch(circuit) on the remote tank it prohibits automatic transfer and the yellow lamp gets lit.
BTW yellow lamp is a tach function and not an oil control module function.

anyway, if the manual switch works and the yellow lamp is lit you must find the open circuit in the blk-blk/red wire.

be aware that there are some splices in the engine harness.
sometimes the wire colors change at connectors and splices.

yes I know jinglish calls them sensors.
they are NOT sensors.
simple reed switchs.
open or closed.
on or off.

[Nautical]

yep. it does

this month I have done 2 F350 motors with failed thrust bearings.
I still have to get a locked solid F250 apart.

called the RTA center and get this stupid crap about cutting open the oil filter to check for metal.

DUDE the crank bearings failed.
the flywheel is jumping up and down almost 1/2 inch.
there is metal in the oil and the sump and strainer are full of it.

not the first motor I have blown or seen blown.

but tell me to use tin snips to cut it open?????

I am just to busy to cut oil filters open and send pictures.

just send me a block and heads as nessasary.

sorry about the ranting.
I will get back on topic now.

That's the way of the world today.Stick a flow chart (diagnostic) in front of a phone jockey and go down the list. No thinking anymore..Thats why Mc donalds has pictures on their cash registers.. No more thinking..and they want 15.00 /hr.. society dumbed down to the point of no return!

[boscoe99]

Try and keep in mind that the man at Yam more than likely has no idea who he talking to. Could be the new hire at Bobs portable motors Yamaha in podunk Alaska (in the bush) or could be from a true master mechanic from the biggest Yam dealer in Southern Florida. The anganeers in Japan are probably telling Yam USA to get a down load and photos of oil debris from a filter element in order to approve a claim.

But if he is saying to cut a filter open with tin snips he needs some training.

[rodbolt17]

yes
tinsnips.
2 different RTA's said this.
I took pictures of bearing pieces in the oil sump and sitting on the powerhead adapter instead.

[boscoe99]

When I get home I will review my copies of the On Board newsletter. I recall seeing in one of the editions an article about the use of a proper filter cutter.

If the article exists you can throw it in their face and ask why the RTA says to use tin snips when their published data suggests using a filter cutter. Oh, and ask they are to get the snipping started.

Now if my memory fails me, and there is no such article, then you can write one for submittal and be a hero.

One more point. Dealer mechanics quickly know much more than can the Yam man who sits at a desk all day. The Yam man might have worked as a mechanic once but with the passage of time he either forgets stuff or has not actually worked on the newer stuff. They too might think because they know one Yam model they know them all.

[99yam40]

This made me think back of the different types of cutters I have used over the years.

Best one for this I think would be the chain type tubing cutter used for cutting exhaust tubing I think.
Multiple cutting wheels/discs on a chain with handle,
wrap around the filter tighten up and turn it around

Or a pipe cutter with multiple cutting wheels

problem would be how to hold the filter while you were cutting it.
Maybe rig up something to screw the filter onto that you could clamp in a vice.

[Nautical]

Actually tin snips is a good way of opening an oil filter. Not my choice, however a factory analysis wants a clean cut with no metal shavings to contaminate the evidence inside. I have read somewhere once that Ford wanted their techs to do it that way too. Just stab a hole with screwdriver then simply cut around the rim. Not hard to do. I think that perhaps Mr Rod was more perturbed and perhaps wondering why RTA wanted him to do more work when he already had the proof.??

[Wardee1871]

Would like to thank everyone for their replies to my question. I have gotten some great advise. I have ordered a repair Manuel, and will be tracing the wires. I will let you know what I find. Thanks again

[boscoe99]

Actually tin snips is a good way of opening an oil filter. Not my choice, however a factory analysis wants a clean cut with no metal shavings to contaminate the evidence inside. I have read somewhere once that Ford wanted their techs to do it that way too. Just stab a hole with screwdriver then simply cut around the rim. Not hard to do. I think that perhaps Mr Rod was more perturbed and perhaps wondering why RTA wanted him to do more work when he already had the proof.??

What was the proof?

There are over 2000 Yamaha dealers in the USA alone. Let us assume an average of three mechanics per dealer and that is 6000 mechanics. Now throw in another several thousand parts and sales people. The man answering the phone does not know rodbolt from timbuktwo.

As I see it rodbolts complaint is with someone wanting a filter opened with tin snips, which is what a backyardigan would do.

Now rodbolt should know what is needed by Yam when he calls them. He should have already taken the down load, opened up the filter in an appropriate manner, taken photos, and done every thing else that he knows to be necessary.