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  • Old Newbie, lots of questions

    Hi All,
    I normally work on restoring the vintage and classic wooden runabouts and am quite familiar with those early inboard systems and methods. Currently, a customer and I are building a 24' Glen-L designed boat with an enclosed pilot house and cuddy cabin.
    This design could be either inboard or outboard. Customer / owner chose to use outboard on an Armstrong stern mount. About 2ft.aft of the transom. Owner has chosen to use a new Yamaha F200 for power.
    We have had a custom built, AYBC compliant, fuel tank built to the space available in between the boats main stringers. Also have a LARGE single 12 volt battery between the stringers.
    Our location is in central Iowa and the closest Yamaha dealer is about 100 miles away and they generally buy boat packages with the motors already factory installed. They have not yet done a complete stand alone 200 horse install. They say that Yamaha might not be willing to sell a single unit to a small dealer. We'll see. So we're kind of flying solo here.
    Right now, our focus is building the helm station along with its instrumentation and controls. We are trying to decide which type of instruments to use analog or multi-function. I have apprehension about the multi-function gauges and what happens if one part of those instruments fails. Do you lose all info from that gauge or just one element? It seems to me that analog instruments would be easier to trace and trouble shoot.
    We have and are using Yamaha's online rigging catalog and I don't find a good wiring and control layout for analog instruments using a binnacle shift / throttle control box. Is there another source for such a diagram ?? So far, we're using the "Rigging Order Guide for Mechanical control and Multi-function Gauges" in the rigging catalog to very soon start ordering components. I would like to have most of these items on hand so I have no surprises as I build the dash panel.
    I read that there is a kit that is added to some motors for a speedometer pitot tube pickup in the lower unit. This is used to feed a pressure signal to instruments. Is this built into a new F200 already ??
    Question: Could someone outline the usual components that go in the rigging tube between the transom and the motor - I presume the hydraulic steering hoses don't.
    Question: Is there a wire color code for the wires in Yamaha harnesses ??
    Question: On the 6Y5-83553-N0-00 Gauge Harness there are yellow and blue wires stubbed out the side of the harness. What are they for ?? What can they be used for ??
    Question: Can Rigging items be purchased thru this source.
    That's it for now I'm sure I'll have more soon
    Paul

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    The Yamaha analog gauges are just great. I have the regular round ones and they are trouble free-plug and play.

    The blue and yellow wires are for gauge lighting. Plug them direct or into a switch.

    Pitot tube is already in the lower unit.

    I have everything but the steering hoses in the rigging tube with a breakout for the primer bulb-which I only need after fuel system service.

    Good luck
    Stanley Islander 19, 2006 Yamaha F150TLRC. Ottawa, Canada
    16' York River, 1986 Yamaha PRO 50.

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    • #3
      Let me edit the above-I have the round Yamaha digital gauges-and they have been great.
      Stanley Islander 19, 2006 Yamaha F150TLRC. Ottawa, Canada
      16' York River, 1986 Yamaha PRO 50.

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      • #4
        Plus one on the above. My neighbor had the same gauges on his used boat that was at least 15 years old and sat out in the Florida sun. The gauge lasted about 15 years before the LED died.

        Re the Pitot tube, as noted above, the engine is already plumbed (plastic maybe) tube (extends about 2' from the engine). With additional tubing, it extends to the console and simply plugs into to the back of the speedometer and works with water pressure. (if using in salt water, the hole is the LU is VERY SMALL and will clog up if not flushed with fresh water). I use a pice of cut down "washer" hose with a sharp "V" cut to slip over the LU opening. Spray fresh water and let it run back out.

        Below is my console set up if it helps give you an idea. The boat was re-powered in 2007, thus the black plexi glass in the backround to hide the previous holes from the Evinrude engine gauges.

        Last edited by TownsendsFJR1300; 03-26-2014, 07:51 AM.
        Scott
        1997 Angler 204, Center Console powered by a 2006 Yamaha F150TXR

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        • #5
          Nice and clean Townsends, the way it should be but rarely is.
          Stanley Islander 19, 2006 Yamaha F150TLRC. Ottawa, Canada
          16' York River, 1986 Yamaha PRO 50.

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          • #6
            Thanks Gent's, That helps a lot. Been down in Florida (Tavares) to the antique and classic boat show and visiting friends and relatives - hence the slow responce.
            Now working on fusing and circuiting.
            Question: I presume the alternator within the motor puts the charging current onto the red positive battery cable to keep the battery charged. Is that positive connection fused within the motor?? Or should large capacity fusing be provided in the boat for this.
            Paul

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            • #7
              Originally posted by OleBoatGuy View Post
              Thanks Gent's, That helps a lot. Been down in Florida (Tavares) to the antique and classic boat show and visiting friends and relatives - hence the slow responce.
              Now working on fusing and circuiting.
              Question: I presume the alternator within the motor puts the charging current onto the red positive battery cable to keep the battery charged. Is that positive connection fused within the motor?? Or should large capacity fusing be provided in the boat for this.
              Paul
              Besides the gauge harness, they'll be just a battery cable (Pos and Neg) coming off the engine. It can go straight to the battery, or battery switch, it doesn't need to be fused. There is a main fuse inside (besides others) the engine.

              If its all new rigging, there should be rigging instructions(for the battery, etc) included..
              Scott
              1997 Angler 204, Center Console powered by a 2006 Yamaha F150TXR

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              • #8
                Thank You Scott, that helps a lot.
                Paul

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                • #9
                  No problem! Have fun!!

                  Please post some pic's when done!
                  Scott
                  1997 Angler 204, Center Console powered by a 2006 Yamaha F150TXR

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